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Ask The Vet: Cushing's Disease - February 07

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Do you have a horse that has Cushing's Disease? Pose your questions for Dr. Emily Graves during the month of February regarding this health condition that affects many older horses.

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Question: While periodically evaluating the efficacy of pergolide treatment, you have suggested repeating both a resting plasma ACTH and dexamethazone suppression test. Could the latter trigger laminitis in a horse diagnosed with early Cushing's and would the ACTH alone offer sufficient reliability?
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Question: I have a 20-year-old Morgan mare who has had Cushing's for approximatley four years. She has also been on thyroid RX for all of those years. My question is what is the difference in all of the brands of thyroid meds? My horse has been on two different brands in the last four years.
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Question: My aging, 26-year-old mare did not shed her coat last year and now she has so much hair she looks like a bear. I was told this is a sign of Cushing's, but have not had her tested. At this time, her only problem seems to be not shedding. Should I body shave her if she does not lose her hair this year? Are there natural treatments for Cushing's?
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Question: I have a 20-year-old Morgan horse that foundered last March after being diagnosed with "pre-Cushings" during a vet call concerning intermittent lameness. After the diagnosis (based on visual appearance) in January, I surfed the web and found a site for Equine Cushing's and Insulin Resistance.
I immediately began feeding soaked hay and stopped what little grazing he had been allowed. In February, he escaped his stall and consumed a 25 lb bag of carrots. I soaked his feet, which were hot, for 48 hours and he seemed to escape any ill effects. In March, after a switch to an unsoaked hay and senior feed, corticosteroid joint injections and limited pasture access, all recommended by the vet, he foundered. We switched back to tested and soaked hay, custom supplements to balance the hay and provided anti-oxidants with no pasture. He improved and was able to tolerate light work by summer. He has maintained fairly well with little hoof soreness, but has an occasional increase in fat deposits on his neck and rump. I feel this reaction is correlated with the small amount of grass (so few I can count the blades) that grows in his dirt and rock paddock after a rainy stretch and sunny days. I do my best to shovel, rake and scrape these out of his paddock since he is very sensitive.

His blood work has indicated slightly high insulin levels, but is inconclusive for Cushing's or IR. I have not done the DST test because of the risks. A new vet (4th to address this issue) suggested Pergolide after detecting fat deposits above his eyes. She suggested the drug may decrease his sensitivity and get him "off the ledge." He has been receiving the drug for a week and his neck crest has diminished slightly. I have two questions: The prescribed pergolide dose was 5cc. I gave 2 cc's due to an inconsistency with the bottle labeling. The Cushing's website recommends starting slow at .25cc. He was barely responsive the day after the initial 2cc's. He didn't acknowledge my presence and his reaction time was very delayed. Would the high sensitivity to Pergolide suggest he does have Cushing's? He is currently receiving 1cc daily. Is it better to give .5cc twice per day? Also, any comments are very welcome.
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Question: My Holsteiner jumper was recently diagnosed with Cushing's at the age of 13. Symptoms included sole soreness, topline muscle wasting, protein bumps, which stopped when joint supplement was withdrawn, and of course, the dreaded haircoat that requires five body clips over the past year. Needless to say, he never achieved show ring condition, but aside from the intermittent unsoundness he continued to act and school normally over 4-foot fences. My question is: What lies ahead in terms of his performance career? Since the vast majority of Cushing's horses are much older and already retired, there’s not a lot of information out there about what I can expect, or even what I should be on the lookout for. I had hoped to enjoy showing this horse for many more years. We do not show a lot, perhaps 6 to 8 times a year. I keep him at home and can make any changes necessary in his care and routine.

My horse is on Pergolide 1 ml per day. My understanding is it will likely be part of his life for the duration, but my vet indicated this is not always the case, and sometimes once the system has been regulated, the drug may be discontinued. Your thoughts?
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Question: What kinds of horse treats are allowed or should be banned from the diet of a PPID and/or IR-affected horse? Apples, carrots and commercial horse treats come to mind as possible examples.
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Question: My Shetland pony has Cushing's and last year had a very bad bout of laminitis. He has now been on pergolide for six months and appears to be doing well. My question is regarding the spring grass. You suggest in one of your answers using a grazing muzzle, which I already have but I would like to know firstly if he has to keep it on all the time or can he be allowed a few hours without it? Secondly, from which month would I safely be able to turn him out without his muzzle.
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Question: I have a 17-year-old Thoroughbred gelding who was recently positively diagnosed with Cushing's one week ago after my vet performed the dex/suppression test.

His symptoms are:

1) long wavy coat that is not shedding normally

2) inconsistent work (lethargic or frantic, depending on the day)

3) slight muscle wasting (although his work and turnout have been intermittent due to the hard winter here in Colorado)

4) weeping eye

5) poor coat quality

6) "greasy" feeling coat

7) pungent odor (especially when sweating)

8) excessive/patchy/non sweating

9) His dex/suppression test was 3.9 pre, 2.4 post (after 19 hours)

10) T-4 test was 1.1

He has not displayed fat deposits or the cresty neck or laminitis at this point but since the confirmed diagnosis, I have made these recent changes:

1) Converted to a low NSC, low starch and sugar diet (Moorman's SeniorGlo and Stay Strong Mineral pellets)

2) Continued with his regular hay (high quality timothy)

3) Uckele Glycocemic EQ for added chromium and magnesium, etc.

4) No treats except an alfalfa cube now and then

He is also on the following medications:

1) 20 Isoxuprine morning and evening (for pedal osteitis)

2) Joint supplement with Glucosamine, HA, Chondroitin Sulfate and MSM

His feet are genetically poorly conformed but he has been quite sound on just four flat shoes without clips.

Today I started him on pergolide mesylate (in the form of an "Rx Bite" from Wedgewood Pharmacy).

My questions are these:

1) What improvements can I expect?

2) When should I start seeing improvement?

3) What specifically can I do to monitor his condition and what should I look out for?

4) Is continued riding (light work) good for him? (He seems happier when he's ridden)

5) How should I treat the "weepy eye"? Just clean it with a warm cloth?

My vet is terrific, but I am still worried about my horse; I've had him since he was three. These changes seemed to have come over him so quickly.
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Question: My 22-year-old gelding has been diagnosed as hypothyroid and probably early stage Cushing's based on straight serum profile tests. He has had an allergic reaction, which was treated with steroids and this resolved the urticaria. He subsequently developed laminitis, which is being managed with bute and diet. he has had this happen before about two years ago. He recovered the first time and was medication free for about 18 months. He has no signs of Cushing's (i.e. long hair, weight problems or excessive urination). I have been advised to put him on thyroid medication because his T4 was low on serum profile. My question, is it possible to ascertain thyroid levels from a routine blood test or does it require a specific test? If so, what is the test and how is it done?
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Question: I have a 23-year-old Quarter horse mare that has Cushing's comfirmed by blood work. She has the thick long hair, which is so hot in the summer due to our living in the south where temperatures can reach 100 with a very high humidity level. I started out giving her Perolide, but due to the expense (to tell the truth I did not see much improvement) I stopped giving it to her. I have tried to control her diet with feeding her high fat and low carbohydrates, but she still looks so thin as she has lost a lot of her topline. She has navicular and the vet wants her on low protein. Is there any feed or lower cost medication that I could try that would help? It is so sad to see her this way. She was once a healthy beautiful buckskin mare that was a stockyard horse.
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Question: I wish I could determine if my horse has Cushing's or is just insulin resistant. He is a Thoroughbred, young and has had many attacks of laminitis. I have consulted with several prominent vets, and most seem to think that he has Cushing's, but there are no clinical findings that he has Cushing's. He is on Pergolide so the ACTH test would not work and the Dex test is out of the question. He gets no grass in which I think I have the diet under control. I also exercise him regularly and he seems to be doing well. The only reason I think he has Cushing's is that when he was having attacks, his hair looked uncommonly bad. Not just unthrifty like a horse with heavy worms, but rather long and shaggy with tuffs. The first two years I owned him he was slick. His hair looks good now, but he still has more hair in the winter, and he is the first horse to grow in his hair than any of the other Thoroughbreds. In the past when he was having problems and a Cushing's panel was done, he would have very low insulin and his T4 was always low. One of the vets suggested that I needed to test his insulin an hour or so after grazing to see if he spiked too high. We did the test and his glucose was normal, but his insulin was four and a half times the normal scale, hence no more grass, and no more trouble. I also give him a little thyroid powder to keep his numbers more even. His insulin tests after he eats or when fasting now look normal, not to low or high, and he looks good. What about taking him off the Pergolide for awhile and then do the ACTH test?
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Question: My 26-year-old half arab is exhibiting some of the symptoms of Cushing's. He has a very long coat that did not shed out last summer, he is obese, inactive and went through some severe laminitis last summer. Now that I have control of his care and feeding (he was away during the development of these symptoms), and am learning more about Cushing's, I have had our vet do a blood test (results were negative for Cushing's and for Thyroid). He suggests Pergolide anyway, which we are dosing him daily with 5ml, waiting for spring for him to shed to see if it makes any difference. I have learned from my reading (various recent articles) that Cushing's may in fact, not be the issue, and that the Pergolide may, at best, be a waste of time and money, and at worst, may progress whatever disorder he has brewing. Aside from controlling his intake of starches and his early spring pasturage, do you have any suggestions for his care?
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Question: Does Cushing's have an affect on the horses’ eye? After my mares neurological signs, during and following her seizure like episode, I noticed only her left eye was a cloudy and bluish in color. Her right eye was the normal brown. My vet noticed it also, but we were focusing on the other multiple issues at the time, and testing and treating the immediate problem. The eye did not appear to be bothering her at that moment, so no tests, were performed. The multiple blood tests to determine the cause of her episode diagnosed Cushing's disease (we did not find the cause of the neurological problems). It's been one month now and this evening I notice the eye has gotten worse. The eye is more gray/bluish in color, she has water streaming down very heavily from that eye, and she appears to not be seeing well at a distance. She appears to be using her nose to touch things to identify them. I checked with my hand, holding it about 12-inches from her eye, and then going in towards it. She could see it coming, and would begin blinking rapidly, squinting her eye and it would twitch while it was closed.

Could this degeneration of the eyes condition be caused be a symptom of the Cushing's?
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Question: My 15.3 hand 16-year-old Tennessee Walking gelding has Equine Metabolic Syndrome (EMS) or Insulin Resistance. He has not been tested for Cushing's although I understand the two are closely related. I became ill for about a year and was not able to ride and my horse became unhealthy overweight. My vet said to drop his weight, which I have done and he is now once again sound from his bought with laminitis. He is on Top Choice Lite but gets barely a handful twice a day.

I'm concerned that he has not been getting his nutritional needs met, especially because the local hay is not particularly rich. What supplements should he be getting to maintain his internal health?
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Question: My 13-year-old Morgan recently was diagnosed as highly suspicious for pituitary pars intermedia hyperplasia, which I understand defines him as pre-Cushings. We started him on 1/2 ml of Pergolide daily; the vet suggested increasing him to 1 ml. He is small being 15-hands, not overweight and is exercised five days a week. Since starting the medication, he is not eating as heartily (he is fed Triple Crown Lite, two cups twice a day and grass hay) and turned away from his grain one evening. Consequently, I am reluctant to increase the dosage if a lower dosage would be effective given his size/condition/diagnosis. Is there any evidence that Pergolide can be effective in the smaller dosage for a horse his size and stature? If not, is there a medication or supplement that can be prescribed to keep his stomach settled?
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Question: Is diarrhea a symptom of Cushing's? My 34-year-old pony had chronic diarrhea, which I was able to (somewhat) control with Biosponge. After his blood work came back positive for Cushing's and was placed on Pergolide, the diarrhea resolved and his stools are now normal.
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Question: I have a dutch Thoroughbred mare in my barn that the owner says has tested positive for Cushing's. She is a 14-year-old active mare and I question if this is accurate or not. She eats well and we do have to watch her weight. Instead of cutting her back as was done in her old barn, I have made sure she gets at least three small meals a day, no simple sugars like sweet feeds or refined grains. I feed Timothy grass hay with a sliver of alfalfa, beet pulp and rice bran along with an electrolyte supplement. She seems to have actually gained muscle and lost the belly she once had. She did not retain hair, she does not drink excessively and she glows with good health. Can Cushinoid horses present like this? Is there a problem with breeding this mare and if so, can she be monitored and still bred?
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Question: I have a 28-year-old mare that has been diagnosed with Cushing's. The blood test to determine Cushing's was performed due in part to other signs of Cushing's and not necessarily the long shaggy coat, yet.

We have opted, at this stage, to not put her on pergolid. However, to manage her with diet, etc. We are using Buckeye Feeds new "Safe'n Easy Texturized" (low starch/carb grain) along with a high-quality grass/mixed hay (has small amounts of alfalfa). We do have some nice pure alfalfa.

My first question - can a horse with Cushing's be fed a flake of pure alfalfa?

My second question - Can a horse with Cushing's show any neurological signs (trembling, wobbling, collapse, etc.)? The reason my horse was tested for Cushing's was a result of an emergency vet visit due to a seizure-like episode she had. She was flat on her side, had been there for at least an hour. We had difficulty getting her up, and once up, she showed neurological signs. She was administered doses of steroids, in addition to banamine, vitamin E, etc. After the first blood results, it was suspected she might have an insulin-secreting tumor. Another set of blood tests dismissed this possibility. Could the high dose of steroids that was given to relieve the swelling of the suspected neurological condition have contributed to the onset of Cushing's, or the blood tests that indicated Cushing's, coming back positive?
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Question: What diagnostic test(s) are currently considered the best and most reliable method to diagnose Cushing's vs Equine Metabolic Syndrome or insulin resistance?
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Question: I'm starting to suspect that my now 20-year-old Arabian gelding may be developing Cushing's. I haven't the funding to go through the battery of tests my vet has recommended to find out for sure. Right now, it's winter and he's quite furry although we live in south Louisiana, which is the biggest "flag" I see. It took him a long time to shed out last year when he had an even heavier coat. I'm not sure if I should attribute the plush coat to his supplement (HorseShine) or something else as he's not showing any other symptoms that I'm aware. He is otherwise in good health and fairly good condition, is ridden regularly and we show as well. What are some good leading indicators and what is the prognosis?
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Question: What are the early signs of this disease? I have a 12-year-old BLM mare that we are not sure isn't in the beginning stages of IR or Cushings. Does one lead into another or are they two different things?
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Question: Could a sign of Cushing's be increased heat in one area? I have a 24-year-old Thoroughbred gelding that has had this for over a month. My veterinarian said that it was from damaged nerve endings and couldn't be treated, but probably wouldn't get worse. Any ideas?

The heat is on the right side of his neck and extends down to his shoulder. My vet stated that it starts at the 5th vertebrae. The heat is obvious just by touching. The hair is even discolored in this area. It is constantly warm to the touch and will produce sweat even when the air temperature is 20 degrees. It doesn't seem to affect him other than the sweating, heat and discolored hair. He is perfectly sound and has a healthy appetite. My vet said his eyes, hearing and everything else was perfectly fine. He also said that is was nerve damage and suggested trying steroids, which didn't make a difference at all.

I have asked several people and just yesterday had someone tell me that they had heard of a horse with these symptoms and was cured through acupuncture. I don't know that much about alternative medicine. I've had him since `92 and I want to make sure that I do everything possible for him.
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Question: I Have a 15-year-old Welsh/Morgan mare that I believe is cushingnoid or insulin resistant. She also has a fat pad on her rump, (tail head) and is puffy around the eyes. Are these signs/symptoms of cushings? She does shed out in the spring but keeps some feathers and jaw/chin hair. Is there any way to eliminate the fat and puffiness? She was donated to our therapeutic program. Her hooves do need corrective trimming and I believe she has foundered at one time. She is now fed free choice grass hay and is monitored pasture time in the spring. She is at an acceptable weight.
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Question: My 30-year-old Arabian gelding, that I still ride, began keeping his coat last summer. When his crest thickened a bit, my vet tested and said the tests were "inconclusive," but diagnosed him as "pre-cushings."

He's now on daily doses of Tyrol-L and Chromium picolinate and seems much better, though he is a bit draggy and lethargic.

Is there such a thing as "pre-Cushings" and would giving him chasteberry or another medicine, ward off full blown Cushing's disease? Dare I feed him any kind of sweet treats/sweet feed?

His weight is good and he looks good, except for a bit of extra coat though not curly as I have seen in some Cushing horses.
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Question: I have one horse who definitely has Cushing's disease and two more who may have it (not tested yet but show some signs of the beginnings, such as excessive haircoat, cresting of the neck). The medication that my vet recommended is quite expensive for one horse, not to mention three!

Are there any less expensive alternatives to try so to make these horses lives more comfortable and meaningful?
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Question: We have an older gelding with high Cushing's numbers who has been pretty healthy except for not shedding until July. He developed an eye problem despite constant treatment with atropine, antibiotic and cortisone ointments. Three veterinarians have checked him out with no other suggestions except occasional anti-inflammatories. He does not have glaucoma or an injury. Any ideas?
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Question: I have an 8-month-old filly, which seems to be showing signs of Cushings. She drinks a lot of water, she has dry spots behind her elbows and on her chest, and under her stifle area. She grew an unusually long coat for winter, but now in February she is shedding her very long guard hairs, when none of my adult horses are letting go. She also has a coat pattern like a mohawk, which goes from the top of her hip to her tail down the center of her back. I know that young horses are not supposed to get Cushing's, but should I get a blood work-up done on her? She seems to be growing at a normal rate, but when I bought her she was 3-months-old and was hauled home from being "shock weaned." (Put mom in trailer, baby follows, take mom out & shut the door). Is it possible she is recovering from that stress? She is eating well, and is given a 12 percent grain along with a mare and foal mixed grain and free-choice grass hay.
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Question: My horse has been diagnosed as highly suspicious for pituitary pars intermedia hyperplasia and we've started him on pergolide. I am feeding him two cups of Triple Crown Lite (2x a day) and grass hay and exercising five days a week to maintain muscle and control weight. Is that a proper diet and do you recommend keeping him off grass for the remainder of his life?
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Question: An older (no one knows his age) Quarter horse gelding at our barn has the most incredible coat with long hair making him look prehistoric. Could he have Cushings? What are symptoms other than very long hair?
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Question: I have a 28-year-old horse with Cushing's (he has had the blood test) and is on Pergolide. He is doing well although he is always a bit thinner now with no muscle tone. My question has to do with Spring and lush grass coming. When my pasture really starts to grow, should I increase the amount of Pergolide? Or does it matter? He gets about .6ml a day now. The horse is out 24 hours a day although he always has access to his stall. He gets about 3 lbs, twice a day, of Equine Senior, vitamins, a scoop of Hard Keeper and all the mediocre hay (fescue) he wants to eat. He did fine on the pasture last Spring, but he is a year older now, so I worry.

I do have an absolutely excellent veterinarian, but since he's a "general practitioner," I was the one who had to tell him I suspected Cushing's. My vet is so good that he immediately started researching it, learned how to do the blood test, where to send it, how to get the Pergolide and is great to work with. However, he'll admit this isn't his area of expertise.
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Question: I have a 24-year-old Morgan who was diagnosed with Cushing's about 8 years ago. Initially, he was put on Pergolide for a season, and responded well. He has since been off any medications and seems to be doing well on a diet of beet pulp and hay to keep his weight down, although every year his coat is substantially curlier. Is there anything I can do for him to ensure he stays in remission as he gets older? Should I look into a maintenance dose because of his age? Would you recommend that I have him re-tested?
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Question: I have a 9-year-old TB/QH gelding who was diagnosed with Cushing's last summer, at age 8. The signs were clear with two episodes of mild laminitis, too much hair for July and he started drinking four buckets of water every day. This the horse whose grain I use to put salt to make him drink more! His most recent blood chemistry profile shows very good improvement. He receives 1 ml pergolide and 1,000 mcg chromium daily, I wet his hay and I also give him glutathione. His turnout is now limited to three hours a day. All of my horses get a mere one cup of feed in the morning only, with Strongid-C, Farrier's Formula, Clovite, and Stress-dex. I feed the best quality timothy or orchardgass mix that I can find, and they live outside 24/7. He is the second young horse in my care who has developed Cushing's. My Thoroughbred gelding also was diagnosed with the disease at age 12. My question is, am I doing something wrong in my management? Why Cushing's in such a young horse?

How many 8-year-olds have you come across with the disease? Can this horse continue to foxhunt and is there exercise intolerance with Cushing's? Is there anything else I can do to maintain this horse's health?
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Question: I have a 25-year-old Arabian gelding who was diagnosed last year with Cushings by the ACTH test (he also had all the classic signs of long hair, which didn't shed, excessive sweating and excessive thirst and urination, he has NOT shown any sings of laminitis). He was started on Pergolide and in general seems to be doing much better. I am confused, however, about what is the best thing to feed him. He currently gets grass hay twice a day and is out in a (very lean) pasture during the day. He gets a very small amount of Purina Senior plus Horseguard vitamins. He has not had any trouble maintaining his weight (ever). I have read about feeds with low "NSC" and "hi fat feeds" but would just like to know what the best choice is.
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