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Ask The Vet: Supplements - March 08

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Do you have questions concerning your horse's current diet in regards to the addition of a nutritional supplement? Pose your questions for Dr. Lydia Gray from SmartPak Equine, during the month of March, regarding supplements and your horse.

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Question: Question #1:
We have two fillies, both about 9 months old, that have buckled over at the fetlock joint in both rear legs. Our veterinarian examined them and said they do not have physitis at this time, but a previous issue may have caused the condition they have now . . . short tendons in relation to the bone causing them to buckle over. Actually, our vet said that he doesn’t know what may have caused this since our other eight yearlings have no problems at all. Per his recommendation, I have cut back on calories and protein and am just feeding Bermuda grass hay with a tiny amount of alfalfa. I am also giving bute, cimetidine, multi-vitamin mineral supplement (augment ultra) and an oral joint supplement. Should I be giving (would it hurt if I gave) osteo form calcium phosphorus supplement to make sure that the calcium phosphorus ratio is balanced? Our vet tested the blood levels of this ratio and found them to be OK. Any advice you can give me would be greatly appreciated. These fillies have not been right for a few months now. From what I understand, it could take six months to a year to resolve, if it does at all.

Question #2:
We feed alfalfa cubes to all of our horses . . . broodmares, babies and performance horses. I realize the calcium phosphorus ratio is not correct with this alfalfa only diet. My question is this: would feeding osteo form calcium phosphorus supplement to all of the horses correct the imbalance in the diet? Other breeders have told me they use a phosphorus only supplement when feeding alfalfa to balance out the diet. What is the best supplement for an alfalfa only diet for broodmares and babies?
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Question: I have a 12-year-old Arabian mare that has recently come down with laminitis. She also had lymes disease this past fall. The veterinarian suspected she might be insulin resistant and blood tests proved that to be the case. Her neck has been thick and cresty, also giving us more indication that this was the cause. She is being treated for the laminitis and I have her on Smart Pak Quiessence at this time. I found another product that Smart Pak sells that is Smart Control IR. My question is, does giving either of these products help to prevent the insulin resistance problem from recurring as in a preventative medicine to give indefinitely? If this would prevent her from continuing to have this problem, which one of the products would you recommend to be the most beneficial? I also have a 21-year-old mare that is also insulin resistant but has not shown any signs of illness at this time. She is a bit overweight, which we are dealing with through a more controlled diet. Which of these products would you recommend for her?
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Question: I have had my 19-year-old mare on Recovery EQ HA for about 6 months, following a lameness problem involving her back end. I had her hocks injected and she had some stifle problems. She is doing well now, a little stiff when starting out, but seems to work it out. I do not jump her anymore. We basically only trail ride at the walk, trot and canter. Do you recommend keeping her on the supplement or am I spending money that I really don't need to do?
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Question: I have an older 20-year-old Thoroughbred/Warmblood in light work and 15 hours/day turnout. He is a mild cribber and has a history of occasional colics.

A few years ago, I removed grain from his diet. This decision was based on my research into PSSM and also into the links among ulcers, cribbing and colic. Although he's never had a positive diagnosis for either condition, I just liked what I was learning about non-grain diets. His colicing and cribbing have certainly lessened since the change.

He is on excellent timothy hay, and receives about 5 pounds of alfalfa pellets a day for its pH buffering benefits. I also give him a cup of flax each day. I have added corn oil on occasion, but he generally maintains his weight very well.

I am wondering about the best route to take in terms of a balancing or equalizing supplement to ensure he's getting all the nutrients he needs. Will a general product such as Purina's Equilizer do the job? (That's what I've been using for about a year.)

Is there anything glaringly unbalanced or out of whack about the feed program I've described?
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Question: I have a 19-year-old gelding that has developed a vertical crack on his front hoof. His shoes were pulled about a year ago. Do I need to continue with a hoof supplement and is this a nutritional problem? Also, is he better with shoes while he continues with the supplement?
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Question: You brought up the benefit of omega 3's...If it is already in their feed, is it necessary to also have it in your fat supplement? How much is beneficial? There are studies that claim it can negatively affect their immune system if they are given too much. So, how much is too much?
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Question: I have recently bought a 16.1, 5-year-old Thoroughbred gelding. He was very calm and relaxing in the first 2 months, but is beginning to get a bit unpredictable and stronger. A couple of weeks ago, I started adding soya oil to his feed (only about 1 to 2 tablespoons). I thought this would help his coat, especially as the summer coat is now coming through. Is this particular oil causing him to overheat? He is also fed conditioning top-line cubes, chaff and sugar beet (as he needs to put on a bit of condition and fill out as he was slightly underweight with no topline when I got him).
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Question: What supplements are prudent--and not overzealous, nor likely to interact adversely for a 20-year-old, still showing (dressage), gelding with these four chronic conditions:

1. Equine Cushings (endogenous ACTH=75, starting peroglide this month, no textbook symptoms, new diagnosis)
2. Hock arthritis (IA injections, oral joint supplements)
3. Multiple allergies (Skin Test -based hyposensitization therapy since 2006)
4. Equine recurrent uveitis (cyclosporine implants and on TID topical NSAID, EDTA and eye lubricant drops).

Diet: 4 pounds Purina of Equine Senior, 1 to 2 pounds alfalfa cubes, vit-min supplement and near-free choice grass hay.
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Question: I have three young horses (3-year-old Irish Sport, 5-year-old Thoroughbred and 7-year-old Appendix) that I use for hunter/jumper showing. Although there are no indications of joint problems now, I am concerned about the long term impact of jumping on their joints. Is it advisable to provide a joint supplement as a prophylactic measure in these young horses or wait to see if problems develop in the future before adding a joint supplement?
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Question: I have a 6-year-old mare that has continually had issues with her hooves and also has a low weight issue. She has good forage and is fed rolled barley with supplements called Limpro and Equi-Pride. Her feet have improved greatly since I removed her shoes, and is sound barefoot. However, she still is on the thin side and seems to be hot under saddle. What is your advice?
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Question: My 6-year-old gelding is always very itchy around his neck, back and sides. He gets all day turnout, good hay four times a day, hay pellets (one and a half quarts) with a good powdered vitamin supplement and ¼ cup canola oil as well as a powdered probiotic twice a day. He is dewormed every eight weeks and up to date on his vaccinations. I have recently added a palletized MSM supplement to try to reduce this itchiness. After four weeks, he scratches less, but still itches. His coat is in good condition. The vet has followed this for several years and suggests that it might be self-mutilation. Any other ideas?
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Question: I have a 22-year-old Morgan gelding with Cushing's disease, and is being well managed with daily Pergolide. He gets ½ and ½ Equine Senior and Buckeye Senior with Buckeye Ultimate Finish added in a mash with water and corn oil, 10 lbs/day split into two feedings. He also has access to hay, some alfalfa, but his teeth are quite worn and doesn’t get much nutrition from that. He is slightly arthritic in the hips, but he feels pretty good at 930lbs since we do light trail riding. Is there anything else I should be doing for him nutritionally?
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Question: How much selenium is too much? I board my 8-year-old Quarter horse and his feed was changed to a lesser quality feed that has selenium, and I want to give him a vitamin and mineral supplement to make up for what he’s now lacking in his diet. Most of them contain selenium and I am worried about Selenium toxicity. He was being fed Legends, but now he’s getting a local store brand.
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Question: My horse receives a daily vitamin/mineral supplement. The recommendation on the bag says feed one ounce/ twice a day. She is boarded where supplements are usually given once a day. Does it matter that the dose is not divided into two feedings?
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Question: I own a 16-year-old Arabian mare that, in her earlier years, was diagnosed with liver disease. She was put on steroids and has been stable off the steroids for the last three years. I have a lot of trouble keeping weight on her. I have not had success with fat supplements. In fact, the best she's looked is when she's been on corn, which I don't really like feeding. Currently, she's on a 10 percent protein complete feed by Buckeye. We just had a complete liver panel done and everything checked out fine, but she's still underweight. Any suggestions for supplements that might help such as enzymes or vitamins would be much appreciated.
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Question: I have been considering mixing my own feed for my 11-year-old horse that suffers terribly from skin allergies. I have had the vet out and we have tried various things over the six years I have had him, but nothing has worked except OVC lotions and salves. However, this is not the answer to his problems. We live in Florida and his skin issuse tend to flare in the summer months. I was wondering if you could give any advice on what supplements I would need to add to his diet and at what ratio. I am still in the investigating process as to what to exactly include in his mix, but mostly right now was concerned about what his vitamin, mineral and protein needs would be. He is about 1000 pounds and is an easy keeper otherwise.
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Question: I have a few horses that get a variety of supplements and I like to premeasure and put them into containers so that the barn manager doesn’t have to weight them out each time (and they are supplements not available through SmartPak). Is there a rule of thumb regarding which kinds of supplements should or should not be combined and stored together for a period of a week or so?
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Question: I have been feeding my 10-year-old Quarter horse mare, LMF Super Supplement, two cups a day, in addition to hay. It was recently suggested to me by the owner of the ranch where I board, to instead use Purina Senior and add a vitamin rich in Selenium. There have been several horses that were very low in selenium at the ranch. I live in central Oregon where it seems the hay is low in selenium. What is your take on the need for additional selenium?
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Question: My horse is experiencing colic pains almost every six months. Our vet is supplementing him with enzymes, but says that this is not something to be used forever. Can you recommend something, which we can use as a supplement to avoid this problem, something natural or homeopathic?
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Question: I run barrels and ride a 14-year-old mare, she will be 15 next month. Should I put her on any certain supplements or a senior feed? All she gets now is a 12-4 pellet feed. She is doing ok right now, but does have days where she acts stiff or sore in her hind legs.
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Question: I have a 21-year-old Quarter horse that is approximatley 1200 pounds. I would say he scores 5-6 on the body condition scale. I board at a stable with my friend who has a Thoroughbred. My friend’s horse does not tolerate corn in his grain since it makes him very “fresh.” The boarding stable feeds homegrown oats. We buy our own grain for our horses, and it’s easiest to buy the same grain. My horse receives 1.5 pounds of Progressive sport horse (high in fat, no corn, low carb) and 0.5 pound of Envision, a high fat supplement. He receives this twice a day. His hay is timothy with about 15 percent alfalfa. For his supplements, he receives one scoop (half dose) of Grand Vit. to supplement his less than 4 pounds of grain, Probiotics, also Cosequin SP and Grand HA. He is not ridden, but turned out daily and stalled at night. He will sometimes come out of the stall, off on his left front, but it improves with activity. He rarely comes in lame. My question is, am I over-supplementing or missing something? I know that’s a lot of supplement for a horse not in work, but my goal is to keep him comfortable now and for the future. I would like to ward off problems, and would rather keep him on it if there is a chance it will help. He had a hard life prior to coming to me, and I would like to give him a long comfortable life.
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Question: My mare just had a baby unexpectedly. We obviously have had her for less than one year. Because of this, she was not removed from the fescue pasture, but we live in the North Georgia Mountains so the grass was mostly dead during the critical time. The colt, that is now two-weeks-old, seems great and mom seems to be producing plenty of milk. We are giving her alfalfa hay and pellets as well as extra grain. Are there any other supplements we should be giving her, due to the surprise birth? What about supplements for the baby?
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Question: We are currently feeding Safe and Easy pellets at our barn and everyone is torn as to which fat supplement is best fed along with their grain. Would Ultimate Finish 40 vs Ultimate Finish 100 be better for the horses and specifically create a better topline? Is a fat supplement recommended for all horses?
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Question: I have a 20-year-old pregnant mare. She is due 4/18/08. I would like information on the amount of protein she needs at this stage and which broodmare supplement is appropriate. We live in the Reno, Nevada area, which is selenium deficient, and she has always been on a pelleted vitamin/selenium supplement. She is fed a combination of alfalfa and orchard hay three times a day during the winter, with supplement given once per day (it has been severely cold this winter). She is showing signs of pitting edema on her belly, which for her is normal. She is sound, healthy, not overweight and in good shape. Thank you for any advice.
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Question: My 12-year-old Quarter/Thoroughbred horse lives with us in northern Idaho. He has a bad incisor tooth, which I have the vet scheduled to look at today. My question is “is this an indication he is lacking something in his diet?” I supplement his grass/alfalfa hay with Purina Horse Chow. Is there a better option available for supplement?
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Question: Recently, I purchased a 4-year-old gelding that had been stall kept. Much to my surprise, he is a cribber. He takes his feed bucket between his front teeth, arches his neck and sucks in air. He is underweight and I feed him grain everyday and he has hay at will 24/7. His appetite is good. Do you have any suggestions?
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Question: Should sunflower seeds be fed to a horse to prevent colic – or is there any real benefit to feed small amounts of sunflower seeds?
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Question: We just purchased our first horse. She is about 5-years-old and is only halter broke. We can see her ribs some, not much, and her back hip bones some. She has not been worked at all. She is now being fed a 12 percent sweet feed, (one coffee can twice a day) and two flakes twice a day. I wondered if she might benefit from a supplement. She needs to fill out and we will send her to training in April or May, in which those needs will change. They will work with her some daily. Do you have any suggestions for us!
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Question: I read that a young horse, 23-months-old, with stifle locking, could be a sign they need more selenium and trace minerals. Is this true? His stifle only locks up in the morning and only after he has been out in the pasture the day before.
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Question: I have my horse on Succeed and Grand Complete Ultra and it states that it is recommended when using Succeed that the horse not be on any other pre/probiotics, which are also in Grand Complete Ultra. Is this harmful and should I switch out the Grand Complete Ultra? Also, what is so great about Succeed that justifies the high price? There seem to be other digestive support products out there, so what makes Succeed superior to them?
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Question: At the barn where I board, they give their horses Xango, a fruit juice, which claims to have antioxidants and a natural anti-inflammatory. It is made from the mangosteen fruit. Are fruit juices given in horse feed a smart choice? Is there too much sugar? Is there any proof that this works on a horse?
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Question: My 23-year-old gelding has been on Cosequin for approximately 10 years for documented pastern arthritis. He has also been diagnosed with “Cushings” for which he receives Pergolide. I have two questions regarding Cosequin: First, is there evidence that it can contribute to problems with Cushings? Second, I give him two scoops of Cosequin (1 teaspoon each scoop) daily (1 in the morning, one in the evening). Is there any benefit to giving it in divided doses or is giving it all at one time better?
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Question: My horse’s hooves are not very strong and are developing cracks. Is there something that I can start feeding that will improve their strength?
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Question: I have a horse with chronic diarrhea. She’s 5-years-old and has had it all her life. I’ve tried different probios products, had bloodwork and fecal samples taken and I’ve tried food trials. She’s completely healthy in every other respect. The latest thought from my vet was that it’s an ulcer, but she has a good appetite and great weight. She does not exhibit any of the other symptoms of an ulcer. I’ve tried everything I can think of. Do you have any suggestions?
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Question: How much selenium should a horse be getting daily? This is a region where selenium is low in the hay. Our grain is a combination of Blue Seal Trotter and Charger (3 quarts twice daily) and provides some selenium. Is this enough or should we supplement daily?
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Question: My 8-year-old warmblood stallion is the picture of perfect health, but has very poor longevity in his semen. This has prevented me from being able to ship O/N since I acquired him five years ago. Currently, he receives flaxseed oil and another supplement high in Omega 3 and 6 fatty acids. Is there anything else proven to help stallion fertility?
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Question: I am concerned about oversupplementation and imbalances in my feeding program. Is there any place that I can send my feed bag tag and list of supplements that each of my horses get for review? I want to know if there are imbalances or if I am oversupplementing any chemical, mineral or herb.
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Question: I would like to find a supplement that would help strengthen my horse’s hooves. I would prefer him to go without shoes and have a stronger hoof wall and sole. What would be a good supplement? If I were to buy pure biotin, how much should I be giving him a day?
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Question: I have a 15-year-old Thoroughbred that raced until 9 years old. He is boarded in upstate New York where there is not much sun. He receives a complete diet (designed by a nutritionist at Cornell) with two cups of Empower. He goes out to a small paddock four hours per day. Is it enough to produce Vitamin D and generate a healthy circadian rhythm?
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Question: My horse is turning 14-years-old in May. He has no joint issues thus far and we do dressage. Should he be getting a joint supplement in his current diet? If so, which one would you recommend?
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Question: I have my horse on a steady diet of Blue Seal Extruded Senior and Triple Crown Senior because I am unable to keep weight on him well. He is a 12-year-old Thoroughbred. I am going to be starting him on daily dewormer to also help with this problem. I keep him in western New York. He doesn't eat as much hay as I would like since he tends to trash it (I have his teeth done yearly, just done last fall).

1.) Is there a good supplement to help keep up his weight since he is currently in a moderate work schedule and can get hot on some grains?

2.) What vitamins/minerals should I make sure he is getting in his feed?
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Question: I was wondering what supplement would be best for a Thoroughbred gelding that has luxation of his hind left stifle, and if a joint supplement alone will help his stifle locking issue.
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Question: I have a 10-year-old Quarter horse that has never had any soundness issues. We do a lot of hacking out and he gets ridden six days a week. Two of these six are serious training days about one to two hours each. We are moving up to novice eventing this season. Would you suggest any joint supplements? I have heard that feed-through joint supplements are a waste of money. I am considering Adequan injections.
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